Josiah Gatlyn，滑板时间长的朋友可能还记得有一个Kickflip飞过篮筐的滑手，对，那个人就是Josiah Gatlyn。在大众眼中绝对是“谜一样的男子”，出名时所有人都为他的视频折服，他惊人的天赋、流畅的风格在当时独树一格，大家都觉得灿烂的前程在等待着他，但他的消失比出名来的更快，更彻底。

 

先看一看他出名的视频吧。Berrics的bang yo self cntest.(2009)和recruit (2009)。说实话：到现在都没有见过能抛这么高的滑手！

 

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最近他在JENKEM上放出了自己的“告别”视频《oblivious》，这才再一次重新进入了人们的视线，小编也借此机会认识了他。《oblivious》是他之前为ZERO “Cold War”拍摄的片段，但是在视频放出前他就离开了ZERO，所以这些片段一直留到现在。现在的Josiah Gatlyn的职业是数字创意师和动态特效设计师（digital creative/motion designer），跟人们为他幻想的大红大紫的职业滑手职业没有什么关系，乍听上去让人有点失落惋惜的结局中的缘由又是如何呢？Josiah Gatlyn的访谈带给大家。他的经历就像故事一样精彩，很高兴滑板是其中的一部分，很高兴滑板带我们认识了他。

 

以下采访转译自JENKEM杂志（有删减，原文附在结尾）

 

问：你刚刚放出了自己的“告别”片段，但实际上你几年前就销声匿迹了。你能解释一下其中的缘由吗？你没有从赞助商哪里拿到工资吗？

Josiah Gatlyn：我从赞助商那里拿到的最多的工资就是一个月300美元。我为Stereo效力的那些年，工资从来不能按时发到我手里。当我向他们要工资的时候，他们总在敷衍我，他们对每个滑手都这样。当时Stereo的老板根本不懂滑板，Stereo的总公司后来也倒闭了，但在那之前我已经加入ZERO了。我离开Stereo就是因为老板根本不懂滑板，我不想让自己一直傻傻地在原地打转。

我在ZERO当FLOW滑手1年被“解雇”之后，我就去了洛杉矶，因为我的未婚妻在那里，我和她住在她朋友家，但是她后来有事情要回佛罗里达6个月。她离开之后，我就没有地方住了，我只能住在我的SUV车里：白天我开车去星巴克度过一天，晚上把车停在沃尔玛的停车场当房子，一整天一整天地在星巴克里做我的动作特效工作。在那段时间里，我每天都思考我的人生，我把这个困境看做一个信号：从此我要掌控我的人生，做我想做的事情。

我从来都没打算拥有一个长久的滑板生涯。当我为Stereo效力的时候，我心里想的是：好的，我再玩两个月，如果情况不好，我就立即做我想做的事情。我不关心我是否能成为职业滑手。我最初的目标就是通过滑板赚足够的钱来获得舒适的生活，然后去做我喜欢做的事情。但当时糟糕的情况加速了这个过程，我决定立刻改变我的职业。因为我觉得如果决定要改变职业路线的话，要尽可能地早。

 

问：你在睡车里的两个星期里有什么收获吗？有不好的事情发生吗？

Josiah Gatlyn：其实当时的情况也不是特别差，我的SUV很大，睡在里面很宽敞的。我有一块毯子和其他床上用品，睡起来蛮舒服的，最烦人的部分是天气很热的时候没有地方洗澡。

我并不是唯一一个睡在停车场的，那里还有很多人都和我一样睡在车里，但我们从来没搭过话。那里甚至还有一些打扮得体的人，他们看起来像是住在车里几个月了。

心理压力是最难疏解的。在这两周里，我思考的关于我存在的问题超过我之前可以理解的范围。我的生存潜能过也被激发出来了。我感觉我跳出了整个世界躲在这个车里。我看透了美国生活的虚伪，感觉自己简直是底层人中的底层人，但这世界是一个“玩心态”的地方。我告诉自己：如果我可以排解心中的压力，那以后没有事情会难倒我了。

问：你当时正式加入过ZERO吗（赞助等级大于FLOW）？

Josiah Gatlyn：我从未正式加入ZERO过，但是我在ZERO做FLOW了一年，每月300美元。我和ZERO的关系好像是在参加电视真人秀，我永远都不知道接下来会发生什么，直到一切都晚了。

我最初给Jamie发邮件说我想离开Stereo为Mystery效力。第二天他告诉我他想把我放在ZERO队伍，我当然答应了。但是他从来没把这个消息告诉任何队员。他让我先参加一个旅行，看一看我和大家是否合得来，但是当我和他们一起旅行的时候，大家看到我都很表现的很疑惑，我甚至不知道他们有人压根不知道我要和他们一起旅行。气氛尴尬到了极点。

我觉得Jamie让我加入ZERO是看中了我在BERRICS出名后的名气了，他想让我融入队伍，但是有些队员根本不鸟我，他们觉得我很不合ZERO队伍。这也是可以理解的，但是我当时太年轻，没看清形势。

我做ZERO的FLOW一年之后，Jamie和队员们开会讨论将我提升为AM，但是大家没同意，6个月后Jamie想把我转为Threat的PRO，但是不就之后Threat就没有了。

经历了这些让我了解了滑板产业的运作方式：滑板公司都有自己确定的“形象”，如果你不符合他们的“形象”，粉丝就会很迷惑，很生气。我觉得Jamie可能觉得我会慢慢融合到ZERO的风格中去，但是我并没有改变自己，我只想做自己。每个老板对自己的公司都有设计好的“形象”，他们只会挑选适合自己公司“形象”的人。

我在一个只有700个人的小地方出生、长大，没有一点社交经验，不会和人打交道。我用了一段时间才融入了社会，在滑板圈里成长并融入社会是一件很痛苦的事情。

失败之后我才开始正视自己，把自己看做一个人，一个生物。我觉的这是因为在这之前对自己特别疑惑，不知道怎样认清自己。Stereo和ZERO是两个完全相反风格的公司，先后为这两个公司滑板当然会让我的脑子一团乱麻。但现在我已经自由了，再也不用担心这些了。

 

问：你现在看起来有点发福啊，是因为啤酒喝的太多了还是因为有了“正常”工作的缘故？

Josiah Gatlyn：都有一点原因。我现在滑板不像以前那么多了，现在经常在电脑前面工作，我也很喜欢啤酒和聚会，这是一个很不健康的生活方式。

年轻的时候，我体重年增加的时候我还觉得很搞笑，现在，我会更严肃地来对待它了，哈哈。我不能让这种生活方式持续下去，最近我已经开始尝试多滑板，少喝啤酒了。

问：你现在的工作是动态特效。你是怎么学来这些技术的？你会推荐去上设计学校吗？

Josiah Gatlyn：不，我从来没有去过学校，我也不推荐去学校。我都是自己摸索着学习的：去问设计师一些问题；去做实习生；在网上看教程…

我十二三岁的时候通过朋友接触到了这些，然后就瞬间喜欢上了它，我会和朋友出去拍滑板视频，然后剪辑它们，我大概剪辑过20个不同的”sponsor me”视频，但是我从来没把它们发出去过，我只是喜欢这样。

我十六岁的时候碰到了Dave Nelson.他是一个专业的设计者，他在一个叫”Divvy Collective”的工作室工作。那是一个非常给力的工作室。有一次我去拜访他的时候，我问他我是否需要去学校进修，他对我说上艺术学校就是浪费时间，你只需要去工作室实习就行了。所以，我后来就这样做了：到一个工作室实习，还碰到了几位非常好的”导师”。这期间，我的berrics的recruit出来了。然后我通过网上教程和书籍学会了after effects 和cinema 4D。在这个行业你要不停的学习，每天都有新东西和新方法出来。这也是我喜欢它的原因。

我个人认为大学是非常垃圾的，除非你是想成为医生或什么的。现在很多小孩都”被迫”去上大学，因为他们的父母相信大学可以让他们将来去做一些安逸的工作，所以孩子们都去申请大学，”决定”自己要选择什么样的职业生涯。问题的关键是：这些父母没有理解大学是什么，他们以为这些大学真的关心他们的孩子，真的想为他们的孩子提供教育，这想法太糟糕了。大学也是商业的机构，大家应该像看待沃尔玛那样看待大学。任何商业都有自己”模特”，大学的”模特”就是让你觉得你必须去上大学才能找到好工作。这是一个假象。他们只是想要从不明真相的父母和学生那里赚钱。大多数的老板根本不关心你是否上过大学，因为大多数成功的老板都是发现学校没有用然后辍学的。他们关心的只是你是否可以把这份工作做的必其他人都好；是否可以让他们把钱赚回来。商业世界都是有头脑的人在运作，那些只想依靠书本的人根本不知道怎么生存下去。

 

问：你说过二十到二十五岁是你人生中最重要的时期，为什么这么说呢？

Josiah Gatlyn：因为我觉得这几年是为你以后的生活打基础的。这段时期内你会重新认识自己，决定以后人生的走向。我推荐大家年轻的时候多出去旅游，多出去走走，即使坐火车很无聊。年轻的时候多冒险，出去看看世界，认识新的人，把自己放到陌生的环境中去。旅行真的可以开阔你的眼界，但是另一方面，你要认识到这个世界的发展真的很快的。有些人在很小的时候已经很出色了，比如说我之前的作品里的动作特效指导才19岁！这相当疯狂。

 

问：现在回头看看，你觉得你是在错误的时间出现在错误的地方吗（指滑板生涯）？在错误的时间加入stereo，加入ZERO？可能如果你一直待下去的话，你会有一个真正的滑板生涯？

Josiah Gatlyn：我觉得我加入stereo的时候是正确的时间在正确的地方，感觉当时什么事情都非常顺利，但是后来就不行了，我的生涯就迎来了一连串不幸的事件。

但最重要的是我选择了我自己想走的路线。

我相信任何事情的发生都有它的原因，我的经历也是正常的。我不知道如果当时我没有度过难关的话我的生活是什么样的。

我本可以继续拍摄滑板视频，继续寻找赞助，但是当时我的心态就是：完全可以接受放弃滑板的事实，让它成为我人生的一段历史，而不是全部。

现在回头看一看，这就是我想要的，我为我现在可以有这个职业而开心。每个人只有一次生命，我想尽可能多地让我的生命包含更多的东西。

告别视频

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If you’ve been skateboarding for more than a couple of years, you most certainly remember Josiah Gatlyn. He’s the guy who kickflipped over that basketball hoop, got “discovered” through the Bang Yo Self contest, and rode for Stereo and Zero before disappearing from skateboarding – almost leaving as quickly as he got here. Super talented, his skateboarding was fluid and unique, and I always thought he was going to be a big name for a long time to come.

I wondered what happened to Josiah until I bumped into him on the good ol’ internet via his official website – where he’s rebranded himself as a “Digital Creative / Motion Designer.” We started talking, and he told me he was working on editing a new part with some footage he was sitting on. Most of it was stuff from when he was filming for Zero’s Cold War in 2013, but it never went anywhere, and he was down to release the previously unseen footage as a part with us.

After releasing the part on Monday, we decided to do a little interview to accompany it, filling people in on where he went, what he has been working on, and what life after skateboarding is like.

You just released this “goodbye” part with us, but you left skating a couple of years ago. Can you explain how and why your skate career kind of came to an end? Weren’t you making any money from your sponsors?
The most money I ever made from sponsors was $300 a month, and most of those years when I was riding for Stereo the checks were never on time. They would just never show up, and when I asked about them they always had some vague excuse. This was happening to everybody on the team, not just me. This was when Stereo was under Antics distribution. It was a distribution owned by a guy that didn’t skate or really understand the culture very well. I remember one time he thought the entire Stereo video could be filmed in like 2-3 months. I was blown away by that. I had heard from ex-employees about crazy shit that was going on there too. Antics eventually went out of business, but I had already quit to ride for Zero before that happened. That was the only reason why I quit Stereo. It had nothing to do with Pastras, the team or the brand itself. I loved Stereo, but I just didn’t want to keep feeling like I was running in circles and not knowing what was going on.

Then after a year of being flow for Zero and then getting let go, I left San Diego and drove to LA. My fiance was interning at the Fantasy Factory as a web designer. So I went and stayed with her at a friends house in LA. She had to fly back to Florida because she had to finish up her last 6 months at FIU. And after she left, I didn’t really have anywhere to stay. All I had was my 97′ Ford Explorer. I saw online that you can legally park your car overnight in the parking lot of Wal-Mart. So I slept in my truck for 2 weeks until I found a place to stay. Every morning I drove to Starbucks and started working on my motion reel on my little 13 inch Macbook. I was in there every day from opening to close. During that time I just kind of reflected back on my life. I saw the situation as a sign. I decided that I was going to take control of my life and just start doing what I really wanted to do.

I never planned on really trying to have a long lasting skateboarding career anyways. While I was skating for Stereo, in the back of my mind I was constantly telling myself “I’m going to give it another 2 months. If things don’t start working out, I’m going to pursue other things”. I didn’t care about turning pro as much as just being able to afford to film video parts. That’s the only thing that intrigued me about a skate career. I hated contests. My original goal was to eventually make enough money to have a comfortable life while filming video parts, ride it out for a bit, and then start doing something else. But after all this stuff happened, I just decided to expedite that process. If I was going to change career paths and do other stuff, I needed to do it immediately. I felt this was the right time. Start as young as I possibly could.

photo courtesy of josiah

Any advice or thoughts from sleeping in your truck for 2 weeks? Anything you learned? Anything bad happen?
It really wasn’t that bad. I had an SUV so the bed of my truck was pretty large and perfect to sleep in. I had a blanket and pillows and shit. It was pretty comfortable. Waking up dripping in sweat with nowhere to take a shower sucked though.

I wasn’t the only one sleeping in the parking lot. There was a ton of other people there sleeping in their cars too. I never talked to any of them, but I would see them getting in and out of their cars. Some of them had pretty decent set ups. Looked like they had been there for months.

The psychological aspect was the hardest part about it, but in my experience I think it did something to me. Just in those 2 weeks I pondered more about existence than I had ever been able to comprehend before. Your survival skills start to kick in more than usual. You kind of feel like you’ve stepped out of the machine and you’re hiding somewhere. After just a few days I started to realize how much of an illusion American life really is. It seemed like I was at the lowest of lows, but it was just a mind game. I thought to myself “This really isn’t as bad as it seems. If I can get through this much psychological stress, I should be able to get through anything.”

I started to think about people in other countries who sleep on the ground, drink dirt water and are barely able to eat. It makes you feel like a pussy when you start thinking about that stuff.

photo courtesy of Josiah

Were you ever fully on Zero besides flow? Do you think Christianity helped you and Jamie [Thomas] bond more quickly than maybe someone who didn’t share the same faith?
No, I don’t think that had anything to do with it. I think it was more that he saw that I was motivated and that I was hands on with everything that I did. He understands design too so that was also a connection as well. We mostly talked about business, I think that was one of our main conversations. I probably asked him about a billion questions every day. He told me the back stories about how he bought the rights to Zero from Tum Yeto and how he took the money he made from the THPS games to help fund it. And how he started and funded Fallen, etc, etc. So that was really cool. I learned a ton of shit from him by asking questions whenever I got the chance.

I never fully got on Zero, but I was getting paid $300 a month as a flow rider for a year. I told Jamie that it would be nice if he matched what I was making from Stereo. The situation that I went through with Zero was almost like a reality TV show. It was all over the place and I really didn’t even know what was going on until it was too late.

I originally emailed Jamie explaining that I wanted to quit Stereo and that I wanted to ride for Mystery. The next day he called me up and we talked for a couple of hours. He told me he would rather me ride for Zero instead of Mystery. I was shocked because Zero was the last company I would have imagined he would want me to ride for. So of course I said yes. But the problem was that he didn’t tell the entire team about it, only a couple of people in the office that day. He told me that he could put me fully on immediately, but if I went on tour and got into an argument with one of the team riders that had been on the team for a long time, it would cause problems. So he put me on that Zero X DGK tour to see how I fit.

When I first showed up on tour, I introduced myself to some of the guys on the team and they looked confused. I had no idea that some of them didn’t even know that I was going on that trip. So that was awkward as fuck.

I think the main reason why Jamie wanted to put me on was because he saw potential marketing value in me because of the Berrics and all that. He was trying to get the team stoked on the idea of me being on Zero, but some of them really didn’t seem to care. I think they were bummed because I didn’t fit Zero at all, which is completely understandable. I was too young and dumb to understand what was going on at the time.

After a year of being flow, Jamie had a meeting with the team and managers about me turning am. They decided that it wasn’t going to work out and that was it. Then about 6 months later Jamie called me up and wanted to turn me pro for Threat, but then it went out of business soon after all that stuff went down at Black Box.

Going through all of this taught me a lot about how the skateboarding industry works. It’s not that it’s cut throat, but it’s just extremely tribe-like in how companies are designed. Almost all companies have a specific image and if you don’t fit that image, people get confused or pissed. I think maybe Jamie thought that somehow I was going to eventually transform into the Zero image, I don’t know. Subconsciously I didn’t really want to change anything about myself. I just wanted to kind of do my own thing. All company owners in skateboarding have a set idea of what they want their brands to look like and they pick out the team that suits the brand the best.

Throughout what little bit of a career I had, I was always trying to find myself as a person. I don’t think people really knew how to read me very well. Skateboard companies are brands, and you have to be a brand too. Music and culture plays a huge part in this. I never really identified with the punk rock thing and Zero has always had that 90′s punk rock feel. This same sort of thing happened with Stereo. Jazz is cool, but I didn’t really identify with that either. I was still trying to figure out what I was into.

My hometown that I grew up in has a population of just 700 people. Pikeville, North Carolina. So I was completely oblivious to the real world before I started traveling for skateboarding. No social skills, nothing. It took me a while to get adjusted to society. Growing into an adult while being involved in the skateboarding industry is tough.

It wasn’t until after I threw in the towel that I started to actually find myself as a person and as a creative. I think this is because I felt really confused with my identity because I felt like I was being thrown around in circles, not knowing where to render my identity. Stereo and Zero are such complete opposite brands. And when you’re riding for different companies that shit definitely messes with your head. I have full freedom now. I don’t have to worry about that anymore.

Most people know you from all the Berrics coverage early in your career. Being at the Berrics so much, did Steve ever try to convert you Scientology?
Haha, no. During the years that I’ve known him he’s never mentioned it to me. Berra was always a super good dude to me and helped me out a ton. He seems to have a good heart from what I have seen.

I don’t know much about Scientology, but I watched that documentary called “Going Clear” last year and it made me ask a lot of questions that I wish I hadn’t. L Ron Hubbard was friends with Anton LaVey and lived by Aleister Crowleys teachings. The origins of Scientology are occultic. There’s an interview with his son, L Ron Hubbard Jr. in a 1983 issue of Penthouse Magazine that explains a great deal of it all. That interview makes the “Going Clear” documentary look like child’s play. It’s terrifying.

Seems like you are a bit heavier now, that from a more beer friendly lifestyle, or just not skating as much and taking a “real” job?
It’s pretty much been a combination of everything together. I don’t skate as much as I use to, I’m constantly behind my computer working, and I also love beer and party a ton. So that can be a very unhealthy combination.

It has definitely fluctuated over the years. The first time I ever gained weight I thought it was hilarious for some reason, haha, but now that I’m getting older I’m starting to take it a bit more seriously. I know I can’t really party like this forever. I’ve been trying to cut down on the beer and have been skating a lot more lately.

After skating you transitioned over to design and animation. How did you learn those skills? Would you recommend going to school for design?
No, I never attended school for it and don’t recommend it. I learned from a mix of trial and error, asking designers questions, an internship, and watching tutorials online to learn the programs.

When I was around 12 or 13, I had a friend who was a developer. He was only 16 and already had a career job as a developer. He taught me how to use FTP and code in HTML. Once I figured out that I could create whatever I wanted on a computer, it was like a lightning bolt struck my brain. I was hooked. I learned how to design and build websites and edit skate footage around the same time. I had this editing program called Pinnacle. It was so terrible, haha, but I learned how to cut footage on that before I learned Final Cut. I would go out and film sponsor me videos with my friends and then come home and edit them. I probably edited like 20 different sponsor me videos and never sent them to anybody. I just liked making them.

When I was 16 I visited this guy named Dave Nelson in Nebraska on an Untitled Skateboards trip. He was the guy who did all of their graphics. He was the first skateboarder that I had ever met that was an actual designer so I was super excited to meet him. At the time he had a studio called “Divvy Collective.” It was a studio space that him and some other designers shared. He was doing work under the name Secret Penguin which he has now grown into an amazing branding agency. That was the first design studio I had ever visited and it was so fuckin’ sick. They decorated it super cool and had a TV with a game cube set up so they could play Mario Cart during breaks. They were working on the sickest projects too. I think at that time Dave was working on a website for The Faint.

I went over to Dave’s house that night for dinner and I asked him if I should attend art school or not. He told me, “Art school is a waste of time. What you need to do is intern at a design agency.” So that’s what I did 4 years later. In 2010 I interned at a small design firm when I was living in Florida. I was there for about 6 weeks and learned a ton of key design principles from some really awesome mentors. This was right after my recruit came out. I was riding for Stereo at the time. Then later on I got into After Effects and Cinema 4D which I learned the programs entirely from online tutorials and books. The learning curve never ends. There’s always new shit coming out and new ways to do things. That’s why I love it so much. Endless possibilities.

“College is a business and shouldn’t be looked at any differently than how you would look at Wal-Mart”

As far as college goes, I personally think it’s bullshit unless you’re studying to be a doctor or something that absolutely needs a traditional college education. So many kids these days are forced to attend college because their parents believe that college provides some type of career cushion. So they end up applying for college and then deciding what “career” they want to have for the rest of their life right then and there. The problem is that parents don’t understand what college actually is. They really do believe these corporate colleges and universities actually care about their children and want to provide education for them. That is terrifying. They can’t see through the sales tactics. College is a business and shouldn’t be looked at any differently than how you would look at Wal-Mart. All businesses have a business model and the business model of college is to make you believe that you won’t be able to get a job unless you have a degree. It’s an illusion. All they are doing is just taking advantage of parents and young kids that don’t understand how certain industries work. Depending on the job, most employers couldn’t give a flying shit where you attended college or how many years you attended because most business owners either dropped out of college or know that college had nothing to do with the success of their business. The only thing employers care about is you getting the job done better than anybody else and making them a return on their investment. The business world is run by people who have really strategic street smarts. The people who try to just play by the book usually don’t know how to survive.

You’ve said that ages 20 – 25 are the most important years of your entire life in a comment before. Why do you feel this way?
I believe these years are really important because they are the foundational years for the rest of your life. The years that you start to discover who you really are as a person and decide which life path you want to start going in. I highly recommend traveling when you’re young, even if it’s hopping trains or whatever. Take risks when you’re young. Go see the world, meet new people, get yourself into situations that you’re not used to, etc. Traveling really does open your eyes. But on the other hand, it’s important to understand that we all live in a fast paced world where people are super good at everything and start learning skills at a very young age. A couple of years ago I did this animated commercial for an agency and my Motion Director was only 19. There’s a lot of competition and if you’re not keeping up with the rest, you will be left behind. It’s better to start as early as possible trying to figure out what you love to do. Millennials are taking over right now. I see it all the time. Especially in the tech industry. Every agency I’ve worked at in-house is filled with 90% millennials. It’s a pretty crazy time.

Moving from your hometown to LA practically overnight, what was your first impression of LA and the skate industry?
I was pretty shocked at how different it was than what I imagined it would be like when I was a kid growing up.
There is a lot of really deep emotional social dynamics in the skateboarding industry with both the older guys and the younger guys. I’ve always thought it was funny how skateboarders try to act tough, but deep down they are some of the most emotional people ever.

I think it comes from everybody being so damn insecure about themselves. There’s a ton of jealousy and envy that goes on in the industry. I saw it first hand. It’s the elephant in the room that nobody ever wants to talk about, but deep down you can see it through people.

It seemed like everybody was paranoid because the industry is so small, tight knit, and everybody knows everybody. You never know what people are thinking. I think deep down, almost all sponsored skateboarders that live in LA are constantly stressed out about their careers. They know that it’s not going to last forever, and I think that’s what triggers all the extreme emotions between people.

That’s why I left LA in 2010 and moved to Miami. I mainly moved to be closer to my girlfriend, but I enjoyed the Miami skate scene a lot more than LA. It was a lot more peaceful and laid back. Kids often dream about moving to LA and pursuing a skate career. But they don’t realize how good they have it skating with their close friends in their hometowns.

“I’ve always thought it was funny how skateboarders try to act tough, but deep down they are some of the most emotional people ever”

Is it true you met your girlfriend on the Skate Perception forum?
She use to post a bunch of artwork in the graphic design section of Skate Perception. Everybody on there was always really impressed with her work, including myself. Her best friend (Michelle Blades) use to film skateboarding on a VX1000. They both grew up skating together and loved to create stuff. They were also heavily involved in the local skate scene at the time.

They had a website at the time called 210amproductions.com. They had a little skate crew and everything. Michelle used to film and edit, and Andrea (my fiance) did all the website design for the website. I messaged Andrea on MySpace in 2008, and then we started talking for a couple of months over the phone. Her dad bought me a plane ticket out to Miami for Christmas to come out and see her for a week. That was the first time we had actually met in person. It was my first time in Miami too. It was super fun. We connected immediately and have been together ever since. We’ve been together for over 7 years now. We’re getting married this year. She’s a senior UI / UX designer at Billabong now.

Looking back, do you think you were just at the wrong place at the wrong time? Bad timing with Zero and bad timing for Stereo? Maybe if you stuck it out and waited you would have had a real career?
Well I think when I first got on Stereo, I was at the right place at the right time. It seemed like everything was working out pretty well, but then later on my career seemed to dissolve into some weird series of unfortunate events.

But for the most part I chose the path that I wanted. When I moved to Miami from LA in 2010, I pretty much disconnected myself from the industry entirely. So that was about 2 or so years of getting footage in Miami, but not making any new connections in the skateboarding industry. So for the most part I kind of did it to myself, but that’s just what I wanted to do at the time.

But I believe everything happens for a reason. What happened to me makes sense. I don’t know what my life would be like right now if I hadn’t of gone through all that shit.

I could have probably kept filming and trying to get new sponsors and shit, but I got to a mindset where I was totally comfortable with the idea of a skateboarding career being a part of my past instead of being my entire identity in life.

Looking back on everything, this is exactly what I wanted in life in the first place. I’m more stoked on my career ending like this than any other way. You only get one life and I’m trying to pack as many things into it as possible.